More than 40 years after being widely credited with inventing New Jack Swing — the sound that reshaped R&B — Teddy Riley isn’t talking about nostalgia.

Sitting inside the Madam Walker Legacy Center during Juneteenth weekend, the Grammy-winning producer spends surprisingly little time discussing Michael Jackson, platinum records, or New Jack Swing. Instead, Riley offers a master class in survival.

“Don’t stay on one thing,” he says. “Learn everything there is to know — not just music, but business.”

Coming from the architect of one of popular music’s most influential eras, the advice lands less like a motivational slogan than hard-earned instruction.

Riley’s message reflects the changing economics of music. The producer who helped define the sound of the late 1980s and early 1990s now spends as much time discussing coding, commodities trading, and entrepreneurship with younger creatives as he does songwriting. Streaming has transformed how musicians earn a living; artificial intelligence is reshaping artistic production, and younger creators increasingly build careers across multiple disciplines.

Riley, who has spent four decades reinventing himself — from New Jack Swing pioneer to in-demand K-pop producer to founder of a music and technology academy — believes the next generation’s greatest asset is not talent alone, but adaptability.

“Don’t put all your eggs in one basket,” he said.

Riley didn’t respond to a changing music industry by looking backward. He lived the philosophy he now teaches. In 2009, he boarded a plane to South Korea. What was meant to be two weeks stretched into two years, during which he produced “The Boys” for Girls’ Generation — the group’s first international release — along with songs for SHINee, EXO, f(x), and a mini-album for the group RaNia. The work carried the New Jack Swing sound Riley built in Harlem into the DNA of modern K-pop, a genre now followed by hundreds of millions of fans worldwide.

Riley has spoken of losing control of music and publishing earlier in his career, and of working through anger toward a former manager — a process he describes simply as forgiveness. That reckoning is also the backbone of his memoir, “Remember the Times,” released earlier this year. Riley said the chapter on forgiveness was nearly cut; he changed his mind, he said, because he is “living it now.”

The book has mirrored the same philosophy of building rather than waiting. Riley has taken it on the road not as a conventional book tour but as a performance, with chapters read aloud backed by a three-piece band, copies signed afterward, and he has routed signings first through Black-owned bookstores.

Rather than dwelling on what had been lost, he leaned into the breadth of his talents, expanding his reach across cultures and continents. It is the same philosophy he now offers young creatives: don’t wait for the industry to make room for you — build a wider table.

Riley returned to Indiana, home to Michael Jackson, whose landmark album “Dangerous” he co-wrote and co-produced on half its tracks more than three decades ago, to headline the Madam Walker Legacy Center’s Legacy Fest during Juneteenth weekend. It marked his first time performing on the holiday.

The convergence was not lost on him. Sitting inside a 99-year-old institution built by one of the nation’s first Black female self-made millionaires, on the anniversary of the day enslaved people in Texas learned they were free — two years after emancipation had legally taken effect everywhere else — Riley talked less like a hitmaker reminiscing and more like a builder focusing on what is next.

The future includes an academy. Riley has built a school in Virginia, the place where he discovered Pharrell Williams and the Neptunes, that teaches music alongside coding and trading. It is, in some ways, the literal answer to his own advice: don’t stay on one thing.

Riley said the academy grew out of something older than business strategy. Decades ago in Harlem, he used basketball tournaments, roller-skating parties, and chess clubs to keep teenagers off the street — including future members of his own family and crew, Wreckx-n-Effect and Blackstreet. Many of the kids would go on to make their own names in hip-hop and R&B. Some that he could not reach did not survive.

“You gotta catch them,” Riley said, “because we lose them.”

What he tells them now, in the classroom as much as on stage, is the same thing he told his audience in Indianapolis: legends come from craft, not from chasing star status. “If the music is not great, we don’t have no stars,” he said.

For a 58-year-old producer who has already rewritten the rules of American R&B and helped export them across the Pacific, he insists the work is not finished. It has simply changed shape — from songs to systems, from singles to the students who might write the next ones.


Tasha Jones is an award-winning journalist, poet, and cultural critic who explores language, liberation, identity, fashion, beauty, and Blackness.

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Tasha Jones is a poet, writer, researcher, and educator whose work explores language as a tool for liberation and resistance. She hosts In the Beginning: The Spoken Word Podcast, the #1 spoken word podcast on Apple and Spotify. Tasha is also the Poems & Parables Literary Journal editor and is currently writing Pyramids. Plantations. Projects. Penitentiaries. You can follow her on social media: @iamtashajones, @itbspokenwordpod, and @poemsandparables.

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